LIANE HANSEN, host:
Music was a muse for Nick Hornby's bestselling novel "High Fidelity." Music is the theme for his latest one as well. "Juliet Naked" is a kaleidoscope of characters: Tucker Crowe, a washed up and reclusive singer-songwriter, Duncan, an obsessed fan and Duncan's girlfriend, Annie. The action takes place in America, when Duncan and Annie take a tour of places that figure into Tucker's life and work, as well as the English seaside town of Gooleness. Nick Hornby is in the studios of member station KQED in San Francisco. Welcome back to the program.
Mr. NICK HORNBY (Author, "Juliet Naked"): Hello. Thanks for having me.
HANSEN: You have said in some interviews that you didn't base your musician, Tucker Crowe, on anyone specific.
Mr. HORNBY: No.
HANSEN: So - but how would you describe the music your character played before he walked away from the business in 1986?
Mr. HORNBY: Well, I would guess that he is one of those singer-songwriter guys, so, you know, sort of Dylan, Jackson Brown, Richard Thompson, that sort of thing. That sort of intelligent, slightly pained, world-weary rock music.
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HANSEN: The title, "Juliet Naked," Juliet is the album that Tucker Crowe recorded, which was dissected endlessly on the Internet by Duncan and a very small group of obsessed fans. It was a highly produced record. In 2008, an acoustic - this is all in your novel - the acoustic version is released and it's called "Juliet Naked." And I don't know, it's frankly like J.D. Salinger releasing his notes to…
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Mr. HORNBY: Well, yes. Well, he was in there, too, of course, Salinger, when I was thinking about this book. And there's a scene involving a photograph, which reminded me of that photograph that - or was inspired by that photograph that some nasty guy took of Salinger. Do you remember the one?
HANSEN: Yes.
Mr. HORNBY: And he snapped him from his car and Salinger looked so distraught to be caught like that.
HANSEN: Right. You have this similar thing happening.
Mr. HORNBY: Well, yes. There's a scene in the novel that involves a photo of somebody who may or may not be Tucker. But yes, that - sorry, I distracted you, that "Juliet Naked" is back. Yes, the sort of show your workings outside of this album Juliet.
HANSEN: Yeah. And Annie listens to it and then Duncan listens to it and releases this, like, amazing review on the Internet and says it's the best thing since, you know - I guess, the phonograph needle.
And Annie writes and says, you know what? This isn't so good. And thereby hangs your whole tale. You have this obsessed fan and his girlfriend disagreeing about…
Mr. HORNBY: Yes.
HANSEN: …something that has occupied 15 years of their life.
Mr. HORNBY: There are several things in that I wanted to write about. One is, you know, what has changed since "High Fidelity" came out, which is everything and as far as music is concerned, the record shops that those guys worked in (unintelligible), most of them are gone now. And, you know, the intimate is the main way of consuming music it seems to me. And that's new territory. I don't think too many people have written about that in fiction yet.
So, that was one thing. The other thing was about art and the authenticity about the meaning of art. Duncan thinks this "Juliet Naked" album is better than the produced one because he is the kind of person who thinks that if you strip something down and it becomes more, as it were, naked, then it's going to be more authentic. It's going to mean more.
Annie, meanwhile, takes the view that art is something that you work and work and work at. And, of course, you work with authentic feelings to begin with but you have to turn them into something that's going to make sense to a listener. So, they kind of conduct this debate on Duncan's rather pathetic Web site dedicated to Tucker Crowe. And Tucker Crowe happens to see the debate as it were and contacts Annie to tell her basically that she's right, he thinks.
HANSEN: One of your characters says, when a piece of music reaches a large number of people, it has dreamed of its worth. Do you…
(Soundbite of laughter)
HANSEN: …do you think that's true?
Mr. HORNBY: No, of course not.
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Mr. HORNBY: And I think there are people who say that and really do believe it. They might not articulate it directly but it's probably at the basis of a lot of things that they believe. Now, I don't draw any distinction between popular music and unpopular music.
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Mr. HORNBY: I think there was something I wrote in my book, "Songbook," about Bruce Springsteen. Just because millions of people like something, it doesn't mean it's rubbish.
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Mr. HORNBY: It could, in fact, even imply the opposite.
HANSEN: Oh.
Mr. HORNBY: I guess that's my view.
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HANSEN: Yeah. You introduced a couple of tangential characters in the seaside town where Annie is a museum curator. And they are into something that's called Northern Soul. What is Northern Soul?
Mr. HORNBY: I think this is an idea that would baffle American listeners both - in the north of England in the '70s, late '70s and early '80s, all these clubs sprang up where they were playing what was effectively old Tamla Motown music or labels that sounded like Tamla Motown - quite often sort of cheap and tinney(ph) versions. And it became this sort of county thing and people collected the 45s and the rarer ones became especially prized.
So, this is what all these people danced to in the north of England and it was kind of a scene for a while. It still exists. You can look up northern soul on YouTube and see these actually now rather middle-aged guys dancing somewhat between sort of (unintelligible) and kung fu.
HANSEN: Oh.
Mr. HORNBY: …very peculiar moves, but they listened more or less exclusively to dance music made between, say, you know, 1960 and 1968.
HANSEN: Right.
Mr. HORNBY: In the USA.
HANSEN: You mentioned names like Dobie Gray and Major (unintelligible).
Mr. HORNBY: Yeah. Dobie Gray is, like, the most famous person that they listen to.
(Soundbite of music)
Mr. DOBIE GRAY (Musician): (Singing) Oh, I'm getting' my kicks out on the floor.
Unidentified Group: (Singing) Hey, hey, hey…
HANSEN: I'm curious about this museum thing and the fact that you've got these middle-aged characters, Tucker Crowe, you've got these, you know, gray-haired guys dancing to old soul. Are you making some comment that they're museum pieces?
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Mr. HORNBY: It is a novel about the past and regret and not maybe making the most of what's been offered to you. And Annie having a job working in a museum seemed pretty appropriate in lots of ways that one of her battles is to triumph, live in the moment. And I think that this is actually a battle we all have as adults that we focus a lot on the past and a lot on the future and don't necessarily recognize that we're occupying our own skin in our own time now. And it's sort of dramatized a little bit in her case.
HANSEN: What was the seed that actually germinated into this novel?
Mr. HORNBY: I don't know if there was one seed. There were several seeds over a couple of years. One was a piece I read about Sly Stone in a magazine about three or four years ago. Sly Stone had sort of disappeared for 10 years or so. And the journalist - I think it was in Vanity Fair, who was trying to track him down, eventually succeeded. And suddenly Sly Stone appears on his motorbike in the middle of a desert somewhere in front of this journalist.
And just a narrative charge of a recluse coming back seemed to me something that would be great for a novel. So there was that. But lots and lots of things that I've been thinking about: books and music, and how we relate to them and how music means more to some people and to others, how one piece of music is always going to mean different things to different people.
Whether the artist knows more about what the work means than the person consuming it, which I think is doubtful. And there was a book I'd read a while before called "What Good Are the Arts?" by Professor John Carey, which really, really affected my thinking about culture. He says, if you think something's a work of art, then it's a work of art and it's the only definition that matters.
And I think he's absolutely right. I think that nothing else makes any kind of sense. And of course that blows up a huge field revolving around aesthetics and the attempt to prove that some things are better than others.
HANSEN: What music is on your playlist?
Mr. HORNBY: Oh, I've got it in my pocket, I think.
HANSEN: Take a look.
Mr. HORNBY: Hold on a second. Well, I know I've been listening to Steve Earle's son, Justin Townes Earle, a bit recently and also Elvis Perkins. He's, I think Anthony Perkins' son. The most recent playlist that I made myself had a band called Roman Candle on it, Los Lobos, Phoenix, Sharon Jones & the Dap-Kings. An English rapper called Speech Debelle. There's a lot of stuff. It's been a good year, I think, for music.
HANSEN: Really, that sounds like good. How often have you changed that playlist?
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Mr. HORNBY: Well, I make a playlist twice a year for friends who feel that they're touching with music. I think, you know, when you get older, it's much harder to carve out room to investigate new things. And because I'm a writer and therefore have nothing to do all day, I've taken it upon myself to keep my friends in touch.
HANSEN: Nick Hornby. His new novel is called "Juliet Naked." And he joined us from member station KQED in San Francisco. Thank you so much.
Mr. HORNBY: Pleasure.
(Soundbite of song, "Spinning")
Ms. SPEECH DEBELLE (Singer): (Singing) The world keeps spinning, changing the lives of people in it, nobody…
HANSEN: You're listening to "Spinning" by Speech Debelle. It's on Nick Hornby's playlist right now. If you'd like to read a review or an excerpt from "Juliet Naked" or any of the latest fiction, go to the new npr.org.
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